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This topic is ''not'' about whether you ship them or not but rather about what was actually shown in the game and various [[:Category:Side_Materials|materials]] outside of it. | This topic is ''not'' about whether you ship them or not but rather about what was actually shown in the game and various [[:Category:Side_Materials|materials]] outside of it. | ||
{{quote|'''''Q33. What kind of feelings did 9S harbor towards 2B? What kind of feelings did 2B harbor towards 9S?''<br/> | {{quote|'''''Q33. What kind of feelings did 9S harbor towards 2B? What kind of feelings did 2B harbor towards 9S?''<br/> | ||
| − | ''No comment.''|[[Yoko Taro]]|Strategy Guide Q&A<ref name="strategy guide q&a">[[Strategy Guide/Q&A with Yoko Taro]]</ref>}} | + | ''No comment.''|[[Yoko Taro]]|Strategy Guide Q&A <ref name="strategy guide q&a">[[Strategy Guide/Q&A with Yoko Taro]]</ref>}} |
This was [[Yoko Taro]]'s answer printed in [[Strategy Guide]] which came out Apr 30, 2017 - before [[ NieR Music Concert: The Memories of Puppets]] and other [[:Category:Side_Materials|materials]] came out. | This was [[Yoko Taro]]'s answer printed in [[Strategy Guide]] which came out Apr 30, 2017 - before [[ NieR Music Concert: The Memories of Puppets]] and other [[:Category:Side_Materials|materials]] came out. | ||
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==Memory Cage== | ==Memory Cage== | ||
| − | With the full translation of [[Memory Cage]], we learned that 9S did ''not'' want to cold-heartedly ''kill'' 2B there (it was his first “life” with 2B too) and it was merely a self-defense which he did not enjoy at all | + | With the full translation of [[Memory Cage]], we learned that 9S did ''not'' want to cold-heartedly ''kill'' 2B there (it was his first “life” with 2B too) and it was merely a self-defense which he did not enjoy at all: |
{{quote|''"I'm sorry."''<br/> | {{quote|''"I'm sorry."''<br/> | ||
''"So it wasn't just a misunderstanding,"'' <br/><br/> | ''"So it wasn't just a misunderstanding,"'' <br/><br/> | ||
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''"I really didn't want to have to do this ..."''<br/><br/> | ''"I really didn't want to have to do this ..."''<br/><br/> | ||
''He didn't hack her solely for the purpose of taking control of her body and killing her. There's something he needed to know, no matter the cost.'' | ''He didn't hack her solely for the purpose of taking control of her body and killing her. There's something he needed to know, no matter the cost.'' | ||
| − | |9S|Memory Cage<ref name="memory cage">[[Memory Cage]]</ref>}} | + | |9S|Memory Cage <ref name="memory cage">[[Memory Cage]]</ref>}} |
| − | And after learning why 2B didn’t kill him right away he dies in peace | + | And after learning why 2B didn’t kill him right away he dies in peace: |
{{quote|''He only has a few seconds remaining before his "current self" is crushed by the virus and disappears. He watches helplessly as the white space around him becomes painted over by black.''<br/> | {{quote|''He only has a few seconds remaining before his "current self" is crushed by the virus and disappears. He watches helplessly as the white space around him becomes painted over by black.''<br/> | ||
''"Is this ... it ..."''<br/> | ''"Is this ... it ..."''<br/> | ||
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''The black spheres fill in the remaining space, leaving no gaps. However, somehow it's a strange and quiet feeling. 9S feels neither fear nor pain.''<br/> | ''The black spheres fill in the remaining space, leaving no gaps. However, somehow it's a strange and quiet feeling. 9S feels neither fear nor pain.''<br/> | ||
''"Goodbye, 2B ..."''<br/> | ''"Goodbye, 2B ..."''<br/> | ||
| − | |9S|Memory Cage<ref name="memory cage"/>}} | + | |9S|Memory Cage <ref name="memory cage"/>}} |
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| + | ==****== | ||
| + | Read: '''[[https://theark.wiki/w/Lore_FAQ#.2A.2A.2A.2A ****]]''' | ||
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| + | ==Soul Box== | ||
| + | Soul Box scene has a rather big [[https://theark.wiki/w/Localization_Differences#Soul_Box_Scene localization issue]] 9S was not shouting that his memories were his and his alone with anger. In fact he was shouting in desperation that those memories about 2B were his ''treasure''. Which goes a long way since in Route B 9S learns that some machines had so-called "treasures". | ||
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| + | That is further explained in the Precious Things recital drama: | ||
| + | {{quote|'''''Pod 042 (narration):''' Those memories are his greatest treasure.''<br/> | ||
| + | '''''Pod 042 (narration):''' The person he treasures above all else.''<br/>|Precious Things <ref name="precious things">[[Precious Things]]</ref>}} | ||
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| + | 9S did not enjoy "stabbing" 2B either. In fact that was a pivotal moment for his mental and physical breakdown. | ||
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| + | {{quote|''I am standing in my own memory region. Fragments of my past are reflected on multiple screens. And standing right in the middle of my memory region is...her.''<br/> | ||
| + | ''That's right...this is the one place I can meet her.''<br/> | ||
| + | ''"2B's data...even if these are memories, I..."''<br/> | ||
| + | ''All the surrounding screens are filled with the memories I have with 2B. No matter where I look, she's there. I approach her on unsteady feet. Just as I reached out to touch her, black noise appeared and mercilessly trampled over my memories.''<br/> | ||
| + | ''"Stop it...stop it..."''<br/> | ||
| + | ''Everything is fading away. Everything I've treasured. They're falling apart. They're being corroded. They're being taken away.''<br/> | ||
| + | ''"Stop it!!!!"''<br/> | ||
| + | ''I swung my sword at the black shaped humanoid that overtook 2B. I screamed and cried, swinging my sword heedlessly and tearing everything apart.''<br/> | ||
| + | ''"Stay the hell out of my god damn memories! These belong to me and me alone! Get away from them!"''<br/> | ||
| + | ''The pod warns me of damage to my memory region, but I don't give a damn right now. I don't give a damn right now. I straddled the prone figure and thrust my sword into it. Over, and over, and over again. My screams are not stopping. The thing beneath my body took 2B's form as my stabs drew blood. But she doesn't even smile. She has a blank expression, her body cold like a doll. But the feeling of my sword sinking into her is much too real and vivid. | ||
| + | ''<br/> | ||
| + | ''My crazed screams turn into broken laughter in my throat.''<br/> | ||
| + | ''"Ha....hahaha.......haha!!"''<br/> | ||
| + | ''My tears have all dried up. My heart is torn.''<br/> | ||
| + | ''I'm breaking''<br/> | ||
| + | ''Only silence remains as the unit beneath me ceased functioning, its core losing light.''<br/> | ||
| + | ''That's enough. Let's bring an end to this. To this world...and to me.''<br/> | ||
| + | |9S|Strategy Guide/Game Chapters Comments <ref name="strategy guide comments">[[Strategy Guide/Game Chapters Comments]]</ref>}} | ||
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==Notes== | ==Notes== | ||
<references /> | <references /> | ||
__NOINDEX__ | __NOINDEX__ | ||
Revision as of 23:17, 17 November 2017
This topic is not about whether you ship them or not but rather about what was actually shown in the game and various materials outside of it.
Q33. What kind of feelings did 9S harbor towards 2B? What kind of feelings did 2B harbor towards 9S?
No comment.
This was Yoko Taro's answer printed in Strategy Guide which came out Apr 30, 2017 - before NieR Music Concert: The Memories of Puppets and other materials came out.
Contents
Early Theory
The popular theory for a long time was that 9S had an internal conflict and a love/hate relationship with 2B thus making everything between them complicated. Where in fact their feelings towards each other were pretty simple - it's the circumstances they were trapped in were complicated.
This theory mostly came from an early unfinished Memory Cage translation, [****], Soul Box scene, 2B clone fight as well as general stereotypes surrounding the usual hunter/victim themes.
Memory Cage
With the full translation of Memory Cage, we learned that 9S did not want to cold-heartedly kill 2B there (it was his first “life” with 2B too) and it was merely a self-defense which he did not enjoy at all:
"I'm sorry."
"So it wasn't just a misunderstanding,"
"I wish it really were a misunderstanding," he thinks to himself. That 2B was willing to kill him is just too much. With each of his words comes inadvertent changes in his expression and tone, showing small glimpses of his doubts. Though soon, those doubts turn to confidence and that confidence becomes reality.
"I really didn't want to have to do this ..."
He didn't hack her solely for the purpose of taking control of her body and killing her. There's something he needed to know, no matter the cost.—9S, Memory Cage [2]
And after learning why 2B didn’t kill him right away he dies in peace:
He only has a few seconds remaining before his "current self" is crushed by the virus and disappears. He watches helplessly as the white space around him becomes painted over by black.
"Is this ... it ..."
The location from which 2B received her orders was from the access point within the desert. There were so many opportunities for her to kill him before they even reached their destination. There was no place to hide, the footing in the sand was terrible, and 2B is easily the better fighter — she had all the advantages in the world. Nevertheless, 2B didn't even attempt to attack him until they were already inside the temple. But 9S was able to see her memories, and find the answer to all of that.
"2B sure is clumsy ..."
It was all so she could end it quickly. So 9S could die without realizing what was happening.
The black spheres fill in the remaining space, leaving no gaps. However, somehow it's a strange and quiet feeling. 9S feels neither fear nor pain.
"Goodbye, 2B ..."
—9S, Memory Cage [2]
****
Read: [****]
Soul Box
Soul Box scene has a rather big [localization issue] 9S was not shouting that his memories were his and his alone with anger. In fact he was shouting in desperation that those memories about 2B were his treasure. Which goes a long way since in Route B 9S learns that some machines had so-called "treasures".
That is further explained in the Precious Things recital drama:
Pod 042 (narration): Those memories are his greatest treasure.
Pod 042 (narration): The person he treasures above all else.—Precious Things [3]
9S did not enjoy "stabbing" 2B either. In fact that was a pivotal moment for his mental and physical breakdown.
I am standing in my own memory region. Fragments of my past are reflected on multiple screens. And standing right in the middle of my memory region is...her.
That's right...this is the one place I can meet her.
"2B's data...even if these are memories, I..."
All the surrounding screens are filled with the memories I have with 2B. No matter where I look, she's there. I approach her on unsteady feet. Just as I reached out to touch her, black noise appeared and mercilessly trampled over my memories.
"Stop it...stop it..."
Everything is fading away. Everything I've treasured. They're falling apart. They're being corroded. They're being taken away.
"Stop it!!!!"
I swung my sword at the black shaped humanoid that overtook 2B. I screamed and cried, swinging my sword heedlessly and tearing everything apart.
"Stay the hell out of my god damn memories! These belong to me and me alone! Get away from them!"
The pod warns me of damage to my memory region, but I don't give a damn right now. I don't give a damn right now. I straddled the prone figure and thrust my sword into it. Over, and over, and over again. My screams are not stopping. The thing beneath my body took 2B's form as my stabs drew blood. But she doesn't even smile. She has a blank expression, her body cold like a doll. But the feeling of my sword sinking into her is much too real and vivid.
My crazed screams turn into broken laughter in my throat.
"Ha....hahaha.......haha!!"
My tears have all dried up. My heart is torn.
I'm breaking
Only silence remains as the unit beneath me ceased functioning, its core losing light.
That's enough. Let's bring an end to this. To this world...and to me.
—9S, Strategy Guide/Game Chapters Comments [4]
Notes
